what should we do to cartoon network?

**Posted:** Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:55 pm

what should we do to cartoon network for the cancilation of tenchi shows???<FORM method=post action="http://p084.ezboard.com/ftenchimuyo79943generaltenchi.processVote?topicID=2629.topic"><table border=0 cellpadding=3 cellspacing=0 width="55%"><tbody><tr><td><input type="radio" name="choice" value="1">send 2 million hate mails</td></tr><tr><td><input type="radio" name="choice" value="2">stop watching that channel</td></tr><tr><td><input type="radio" name="choice" value="3">kill them</td></tr><tr><td><input type="radio" name="choice" value="4">start a anti-cartoon network club</td></tr><tr><td><input type="radio" name="choice" value="5">protest at thier headquarters untell they shw tenchi agian</td></tr></tbody></table><input type=submit value="Vote"></form><a HREF=http://p084.ezboard.com/ftenchimuyo79943generaltenchi.showMessage?topicID=2629.topic&pollResults=on>Show results</A>

**Posted:** Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:58 pm

NOTHIN!!!!! HAHAHAHA "I rather die stading thand to die @ my knees! <IMG src="http://www.unitedanime.com/7orK.jpg">

**Posted:** Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:06 pm

Instead of constantly whining about it why don't you work for a change or to better yourself. Go out and BUY Anime if you want it, they are being very nice giving it to you for free so deal with it. Go tell people about how hypocritical and stupid it is to have double-standards educate people start a movement. Complaining about it does nothing, infact it keeps you from doing something useful. <div align="center">Ten years ago, something happened. Something small. Something most people didn't notice. But it did touch a few of us. Then a few more. And a few more. And soon that something was spreading in all directions at once. One ripple followed another, at a faster and faster pace, each new wave gaining more distance than the last. And the ripples keep coming. -From "So Far: The First Ten Years of a Vision" <a href="http://www.xenu.net/" target="_top"><img border="0" alt="Operation Clambake" height="61" width="433" src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/oc20.jpg"> </a> <embed src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/diduknow.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" menu="false" width="320" height="49" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"> <a href="http://www.xenu.net/">Visit Xenu.net!</a> </div>

**Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:37 am

Nothing is free. I say we let Cartoon Network know that when we stop watching their stinking channel and their affiliates decide that advertising on their air time is a waste of good money. PS. If you call Satellite and cable free Yujenisis, you must have a strange concept of real living. You must be about 14 with your first part-time job or something. You feel the power of buying and somehow think everyone is getting small things like food, shelter, and all the channels on TV for "free". If Cartoon Network keeps showing crap, I'll probably stop paying for cable and just not use the TV for anything but video games. <hr>"Me eat you up! Me eat you up! Me eat you up! You turn into a cookie!" - Majin Buu

**Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:18 am

Cartoon Network and it's parent company Turner Networks don't make money off subscriptions like other channels like HBO and ShowTime enjoy. Your paying for the service of your PROVIDER not for Cartoon Network as a channel. Therefor it's free, by the fact that THEY do not make a profit off you watching them directly, which is why they have advertisements. They wont stop showing crap they are making what they see as wise business decisions. While these are arguable, heck, I think they are being morons (Thundercats?!) but it doesn't change that they believe they are making intelligent decisions. And like we both agree. If you don't like it do something else or try and solve the problem. In your case it would be to use your TV for video games, only which is appropriate and makes sense. For others it might be saving up and buying your own copies of uncut Anime or turning to fansubs to explore more shows besides Tenchi. Personally, I enjoy Anime so I chose this one and it's served me well. I am not going to rely on Cartoon Network any longer, but I am not going to complain about it because the people who DO rely on it are still getting an excellent deal. All they need to do is deal with their stupid programming decisions, the silly edits, and advertisements and in return they get free Anime. Good deal considering I have a job which I spend a little of my money on Anime and fansubs with. <div align="center">Ten years ago, something happened. Something small. Something most people didn't notice. But it did touch a few of us. Then a few more. And a few more. And soon that something was spreading in all directions at once. One ripple followed another, at a faster and faster pace, each new wave gaining more distance than the last. And the ripples keep coming. -From "So Far: The First Ten Years of a Vision" <a href="http://www.xenu.net/" target="_top"><img border="0" alt="Operation Clambake" height="61" width="433" src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/oc20.jpg"> </a> <embed src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/diduknow.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" menu="false" width="320" height="49" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"> <a href="http://www.xenu.net/">Visit Xenu.net!</a> </div>

**Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:04 pm

Well Yuj, at least YOU don't look a gift horse in the mouth, to quote an old clichÃ©. Neo Kamidake O'Riordan's Theorem: Brains x Beauty = Constant Purmal's Corollary: As the limit of (Brains x Beauty) goes to infinity, availability goes to zero. <a href=http://pub19.ezboard.com/bneokamidakesrealm>Visit Neo Kamidake's Realm!</a>

**Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:02 pm

I used to be angry about it until I learned how things work and I realized how good a deal CN viewers are actually getting. <div align="center">Ten years ago, something happened. Something small. Something most people didn't notice. But it did touch a few of us. Then a few more. And a few more. And soon that something was spreading in all directions at once. One ripple followed another, at a faster and faster pace, each new wave gaining more distance than the last. And the ripples keep coming. -From "So Far: The First Ten Years of a Vision" <a href="http://www.xenu.net/" target="_top"><img border="0" alt="Operation Clambake" height="61" width="433" src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/oc20.jpg"> </a> <embed src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/diduknow.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" menu="false" width="320" height="49" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"> <a href="http://www.xenu.net/">Visit Xenu.net!</a> </div>

**Posted:** Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:27 pm

Yuj, CN  does, however, get paid by their advertisers. And the amount that they're paid is directly influenced by their ratings. They want us to watch their shows & keep the ratings high, so why should we just sit by quietly when they pull the shows we want to watch? Does complaining accomplish anything? Maybe not. But sitting aound doing nothing certainly accomplishes nothing. But regardless, the only thing I watch on CN these days is Gundam 0083. Everything else they have that's of any interest to me, I've seen at least a dozen times, own on DVD, or both. <center><img src="http://server27.hypermart.net/redxiv/ryoko2.gif" width="73" height="81"><a href="mailto:babelfisherperson@hotmail.com"><img src="http://server27.hypermart.net/redxiv/AkaiJuyon.gif" width="91" height="20" alt="Red XIV" border="0"></a><img src="http://server27.hypermart.net/redxiv/tenchi2.gif" width="63" height="95"></center>

**Posted:** Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:32 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> But sitting aound doing nothing certainly accomplishes nothing.<hr></blockquote> It seems to me thats about what your doing. Sitting around and complaining accomplishes nothing. So how about you use those hostilities and negative feelings and rally Tenchi fans to write POLITE emails to the feedback email at Cartoon Network.com <a href="http://cartoonnetwork.com/feedback/">cartoonnetwork.com/feedback/</a> There you go. How is that for positive and appropriate way to use your anger? Make sure your mails are polite otherwise they wont take you seriously or respect what you have to say. <div align="center">Ten years ago, something happened. Something small. Something most people didn't notice. But it did touch a few of us. Then a few more. And a few more. And soon that something was spreading in all directions at once. One ripple followed another, at a faster and faster pace, each new wave gaining more distance than the last. And the ripples keep coming. -From "So Far: The First Ten Years of a Vision" <a href="http://www.xenu.net/" target="_top"><img border="0" alt="Operation Clambake" height="61" width="433" src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/oc20.jpg"> </a> <embed src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/diduknow.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" menu="false" width="320" height="49" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"> <a href="http://www.xenu.net/">Visit Xenu.net!</a> </div>

**Posted:** Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:56 am

CN sucks. Buy the anime, and then you can enjoy it whenever you want. <table><border=3 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=3><tr><td><center>Sunset of ThornsReaching towards the form refraining Trying to catch the grains remaining Your face swirls away to dust Loving emotions turn to lust The distant sunset in the past Always seems to turn to cracks Old memories turn into pain Forever pushed away by rain Trying to tell you the way I feel "Nothing" cannot make me heal Your head turns the other way Making me the one to pay Endless nights seem to go on Hoping this won't last for long Crying does not cease exist Pain proliferates Pain persists</td><td><center><a href="http://pub39.ezboard.com/bdabestmessageboard" target="_blank" border="0"><img src=http://www.dimensionalstars.com/rocieltub.gif></a></td></table>

**Posted:** Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:48 am

Yujenisis, those are good well-thought replies. Just thought I'd pay you a compliment (as if you need a compliment). And that's my point, too. Sitting around complaining on a forum will not change the fact that Cartoon Network is toying with us by changing shows every 2 weeks. My solution is to simply stop watching them. It's the reason I stopped watching Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. If people stop watching a show, they'll get rid of it, hopefully. Apparently, Dragon Ball Z will never go off since so many people are willing to watch the same episodes a million times. I'm willing to watch Tenchi Episodes a million times, but I guess the majority of people out there don't find Tenchi as amusing and entertaining. That's my honest feelng is that the Tenchi fanbase can't keep Tenchi on the air nonstop. But Thundercats?! Why couldn't they put Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on or something? Anything but Thundercats again. And that's my solution to the problem, too. Fan-subbed anime. All you want. Every show you want. It's out there, somewhere on the internet, for you to download. If you don't want to pay $80-$120 on DVD sets and get disowned by your parents (losing your college fund and everything else), you'll work to get what you want. In fact, I can look on Kazaa and see every Tenchi in Tokyo Episode on there. It might take you a while, but if you want the shows enough to cuss and complain on here for hours, you could already be watching the episode by the time you're finished griping about Cartoon Network. I am very thankful to have Cartoon Network, too. If it wasn't for their Toonami segment, I'd still be sitting around asking friends "What's anime? What's this Dragon Ballz show I keep hearing about?? It sounds gay." Sadly, I would have never watched Tenchi Muyo if not for the Cartoon Network. I wouldn't even be here typing this big long pointless boring post. :-P Oh my gosh, I'd probably be making something of myself if not for Toonami. Wouldn't want that to happen.... *lol* <hr>"Me eat you up! Me eat you up! Me eat you up! You turn into a cookie!" - Majin Buu

**Posted:** Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:33 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> And that's my solution to the problem, too. Fan-subbed anime. All you want. Every show you want. It's out there, somewhere on the internet, for you to download. If you don't want to pay $80-$120 on DVD sets and get disowned by your parents (losing your college fund and everything else), you'll work to get what you want. In fact, I can look on Kazaa and see every Tenchi in Tokyo Episode on there. It might take you a while, but if you want the shows enough to cuss and complain on here for hours, you could already be watching the episode by the time you're finished griping about Cartoon Network.<hr></blockquote> Now the problem with that statement is that your calling ripped DVD (Which IS PIRACY) fansubs. Fansubs are a gray area in terms of piracy. The shows are played on Japanese TV (People copy them using a digital system, like a TiVo only designed for converting it to a video file to be editted on a system. The shows are not copyrighted in the US. When you download a show that has been ripped from a US Distribution of an Anime you ARE stealing. It is not a fansub, your taking the work that a company did, expecting that if you wanted it rather than stealing from them you will buy it. Just keep that in mind. Fansubs are subbed by people who love Anime and offer their translation and subbing services for FREE to people who want some Anime. Once a show is picked up for distribution in the US, they stop distributing that show because it has been copyrighted in the US, which makes it illegal to distribute. Often fansubs are used for shows that have not or willl not be released in the US. Shows that US companies feel will not appeal to American audiences (This is unfortunate because often the BEST of Japanese Animation is the distinctly Japanese shows, which they don't buy because they think they wouldn't be popular shows.) <div align="center">Ten years ago, something happened. Something small. Something most people didn't notice. But it did touch a few of us. Then a few more. And a few more. And soon that something was spreading in all directions at once. One ripple followed another, at a faster and faster pace, each new wave gaining more distance than the last. And the ripples keep coming. -From "So Far: The First Ten Years of a Vision" <a href="http://www.xenu.net/" target="_top"><img border="0" alt="Operation Clambake" height="61" width="433" src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/oc20.jpg"> </a> <embed src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/diduknow.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" menu="false" width="320" height="49" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"> <a href="http://www.xenu.net/">Visit Xenu.net!</a> </div>

**Posted:** Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:34 pm

Oh yeah. *lol* Very true. I can't see how I would overlook such a detail. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"> He's right, but that doesn't change the fact that if you really want to see those other 2 episodes, they are out there somewhere. A lot of the stuff I do get my hands on has been fansubbed. In fact, almost every Dragon Ball Z movie I've seen (except for a couple that have been on Cartoon Network) has been fansubbed. The only problem with my thinking is that I chunk it all into the same group with the ripped and copyrighted material. I know it's inaccurate. The one good thing about the copyrighted material is that it's not quite like downloading MP3s of mainstream music hits. It's not quite the same (despite a broken law). Often the quality of it is far less than the product they expect you to buy. There is still plenty of reason to buy the product. I would even venture to say that after watching the unedited episodes of Tenchi that I have downloaded, I have a stronger urge to purchase the DVDs. <hr>"Me eat you up! Me eat you up! Me eat you up! You turn into a cookie!" - Majin BuuEdited by: <A HREF=http://pub19.ezboard.com/udonomite.showPublicProfile?language=EN>Donomite</A> at: 4/18/02 1:40:07 pm

**Posted:** Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:06 pm

I agree, I usually downloaded a few eps from a series, to see it is worth buying, as anime costs so much it is good to be able to see what a series it like before you spend about Â£90 on it. <CENTER><HR><IMG SRC="http://www.lindenssite.btinternet.co.uk/Ezboard/Sigpic2.jpeg"> "There are, it has been said, two types of people in the world. There are those who, when presented with a glass that is exactly half full, say: this glass is half full. And then there are those who say: this glass is half empty. The world belongs, however, to those who can look at the glass and say: What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass! Who's been pinching my beer?" - Terry Pratchett, The Truth <A HREF="http://www.lindenssite.btinternet.co.uk" TARGET="_top">Visit my Final Fantasy Site</A> and <A HREF="http://pub61.ezboard.com/bcomputergamesandanime" TARGET="_top">My Board</A> ^_^</CENTER>

**Posted:** Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:11 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> The one good thing about the copyrighted material is that it's not quite like downloading MP3s of mainstream music hits. It's not quite the same (despite a broken law). Often the quality of it is far less than the product they expect you to buy. There is still plenty of reason to buy the product. I would even venture to say that after watching the unedited episodes of Tenchi that I have downloaded, I have a stronger urge to purchase the DVDs.<hr></blockquote> I know people who work in Pioneer USA, Bandai, and Central Park Media and they all claim a large factor in the price of Anime besides cost to produce is piracy. They have to compensate for the fact that Anime as it currently is has a limited audience. Few people will buy anything but GW, DBZ, or other "Americanized" shows. The people who actually know Anime and buy other shows are few. Many of those people are technologically adept and a portion of them just pirate them. So the limited market combined with the market's level of piracy is a huge issue. CD's sell regardless of people downloading them. CDs appeal to a much larger market (generally) and therefor most people buy them and a juge conglomerating recording company takes far less of a hit when people pirate it. Whereas small Anime localization companies take a much much larger hit. <div align="center">Ten years ago, something happened. Something small. Something most people didn't notice. But it did touch a few of us. Then a few more. And a few more. And soon that something was spreading in all directions at once. One ripple followed another, at a faster and faster pace, each new wave gaining more distance than the last. And the ripples keep coming. -From "So Far: The First Ten Years of a Vision" <a href="http://www.xenu.net/" target="_top"><img border="0" alt="Operation Clambake" height="61" width="433" src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/oc20.jpg"> </a> <embed src="http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/diduknow.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" menu="false" width="320" height="49" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"> <a href="http://www.xenu.net/">Visit Xenu.net!</a> </div>

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