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Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
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Author:  Zigra [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Author:  Jibril [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Author:  aaronsedge [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Yeah but she was brain washed and yosho got revenge anyway.

By the time ayeka found her for her own revenge ryoko was paroled or whatever. Ayeka did that warning shot, captured her, then tortured her, poor ryoko was just trying to live her new free life with her new boyfriend. Then ayeka came and ruined everything all for the sake of revenge and some journey of incest. Yosho didn't even want her. No surprise there.



I'm just kidding btw. I personally don't care who started what. I like all the original characters.
Author:  Jibril [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:08 pm ]
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Author:  aaronsedge [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Incest is a bad thing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Inbreeding

I'm willing to bet everyone on Gerai has 6 toes and Aicardi Syndrome.

I was joking, but for one. Ryoko could have killed him at any moment. She was joking with him. I meant she was a brainwashed slave before she came to earth. While she attacked Gerai. Not while Ayeka came after her. As for the picture, what can I say? Some times creators mess up and don't make the correct cannon information for their cartoons. Sometime I'm watching Heroes and I'm like...wait..peter didn't have the ability to fly in that episode...oh well.

"That wasn't torture, those were enhanced interrogation techniques."

and they called Guantanamo bay "Standard Operating Procedure."

And I was kidding about the boyfriend comment. I'M HER BOYFRIEND AFTER ALL!!!!!!!
Like the guy up there said, they don't hate each other as much as they pretend they do.

I'm sure there is some other reason Ryoko decided she had to destroy Ayekas ship..and that being for the sake of plot.

"Hey writer #1, how do we get Ayeka to stay on earth?" "Have Ryoko blow her ship up!"

Problem solved.

edit- Just so we're clear, I really do enjoy all the characters the same. That is till we get into OVA 3, but Ryoko an Ayeka are the same to me. Ryoko just always clicked more. The show wouldn't be the same without either one of them...or any of the originals for that matter.


(Which is why the 3rd ova wasn't the same)
Author:  space pirate kid [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:49 pm ]
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Author:  Jibril [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:14 am ]
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Author:  aaronsedge [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Pretty sure incest is an all genetics thing. I really hope no one here thinks incest is a safe practice outside of the tenchi world. But whatever, it's a cartoon and Japan loves being weird. I'm also pretty sure the creator of the show said she was kidding with him, too. She talks about it in the onsen with her best friend Ayeka. Who by the way, get drunks and insults her, like the sophisticated princess she is. (joking)

"I think "poor Ryoko" is an act to shift the blame to Kagato. She was Kagato's Willing Executioner afterall, and still embraces many things out of her old lifestyle with him - alcohol, clothing, etc."

I'm not one to interpret some other persons writing or creation as something else or assume back stories if I didn't write them, so I'm not sure about all that and I don't know if they've ever met before, but if the creators of the show said they did, then my bad.

All I can say is that I guess that her back story is she was a marauding space pirate and did bad things. She had 700 years to think it over and watched Tenchi grow up, so now she isn't a bad guy now. I think it's pretty obvious by OVA 3 that Ayeka doesn't see Ryoko as the person she did when she faced her in earlier episodes. Let's all be friends.
Author:  Jibril [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Anyway, we're talking OAV in a TU thread XD
Author:  space pirate kid [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
alcohol and clothing lol... because those are such terrible evil things xD

Ryoko was a kid, she had no other roll model in her life aside from kagato who also used ACTUAL mind control on her.
u can see it in the ep 'kagato attacks". she cant be morally responsible for her actions id she had NO MORAL CHOICE
or NO MORAL GUIDANCE. Had she been raised by Washu, she would never have become a space pirate or beaten the crap
out of the universe in general. And what about ryo-ohki? she was the battleship which did the destroying, yet i see no
questioning of her integrity?
Author:  nickoko [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Maybe I'm crazy, but would having Washu as her role model growing up be much better?

Instead of living under Kagato's mind control, we get a crazy genius scientist for a mom, who has invented tons of devices capable of destroying the universe. Surely Ryoko as a young and reckless child (not that she's changed much ;) ), with her kind of powers could get a hold of one of those inventions somehow (accident or not) and end up causing damage anyway.

On the other hand, OVA ep 8 definitely showed Washu's ability to be a mother. But that was because she was thinking of her REAL child she had with her husband. Ryoko, when it comes down to it, is still Washu's creation. Not quite the same. Would she act differently raising her creation than her real child?
Author:  aaronsedge [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
After here comes jurai 2, I can say that I believe Washu to be the cruelest of them all.

And I don't think Ryoko was a child when she was doing all that attacking and plundering of jurai or kagato being a role model being a factor.

I think you guys are going by more on what you believe and think, than actual canonical information.
Author:  Kamiki Takeshi Jurai [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Indeed. Can we go back to the real topic rather than re-iterating the same old OAV arguments?

For myself, I doubt that Ryoko was 'off the hook' at the end of TU, simply because I don't know what all her charges were, or who has jurisdiction over them. The ending of TU seemed to say to me that while this particular story (the takeover of Jurai) was over, the bigger story (life) was still going on, including the consequences of past actions.
Author:  space pirate kid [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
well its not what i think or believe. its what i know. we all have to identify with something in our lives and when ur a child its the authority figure in ur life. aka your father, mother, guardian.
Kagato being that only figure for ryo would definitely be her prime influence and where she would have learnt the concepts of morality and how life works in general. Being his mind controlled
battle slave, doing his 'dirty work' as it were and receiving no other support or training for anything else (like manners, responsibility blah blah ect ect) its plainly obvious that the lack of positive role model means lack of positive behavior learnt. ryo even says to washu "u didn't raise me at all" as in, shes affirmed that she ether wasn't raised at all, or was raised by someone else. the point is; she too defines it as being "raised". so yes, role models are a factor.

Now, I'm done.
Author:  Zigra [ Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was Ryoko off the hook at the end of Universe?
Back on topic, I re-watched "Tenchi Forever" and saw a little tidbit related to this discussion. When Sasami arrives on Jurai, she arrives in Ryo-ohki. So, it would seem that, with the Juraians at least, Ryoko is off the hook.
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