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Author:  AlphaConqerer [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 2:06 am ]
Post subject:  Politics!!! Gotta love em! But worth a read.
Our colleague ZL informed me of this article earlier this evening-I felt as if I should spread it to you guys:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/opinion/11JORD.html" target="top">ARTICLE HERE</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Any comments? ZL had some of his own, but I'm too exhausted to give my own and he is not online right now for me to consult with him as to whether or not I might share.<br><br>But it is interesting, indeed.<br><br>-Chris <p>_____________<br>"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything."<br><br>-Mark Twain</p><i></i>
Author:  Xx Goddess Ryoko xX [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Politics!!! Gotta love em! But worth a read.
For those that don't want to register to read it, here's the article:<br><br>New York Times Op Ed page, for April 11<br><br>The News We Kept to Ourselves <br><br>By EASON JORDAN<br><br><br>ATLANTA — Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard — awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff.<br><br>For example, in the mid-1990's one of our Iraqi cameramen was abducted. For weeks he was beaten and subjected to electroshock torture in the basement of a secret police headquarters because he refused to confirm the government's ludicrous suspicion that I was the Central Intelligence Agency's Iraq station chief. CNN had been in Baghdad long enough to know that telling the world about the torture of one of its employees would almost certainly have gotten him killed and put his family and co-workers at grave risk.<br><br>Working for a foreign news organization provided Iraqi citizens no protection. The secret police terrorized Iraqis working for international press services who were courageous enough to try to provide accurate reporting. Some vanished, never to be heard from again. Others disappeared and then surfaced later with whispered tales of being hauled off and tortured in unimaginable ways. Obviously, other news organizations were in the same bind we were when it came to reporting on their own workers. <br><br>We also had to worry that our reporting might endanger Iraqis not on our payroll. I knew that CNN could not report that Saddam Hussein's eldest son, Uday, told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law who had defected and also the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan. If we had gone with the story, I was sure he would have responded by killing the Iraqi translator who was the only other participant in the meeting. After all, secret police thugs brutalized even senior officials of the Information Ministry, just to keep them in line (one such official has long been missing all his fingernails).<br><br>Still, I felt I had a moral obligation to warn Jordan's monarch, and I did so the next day. King Hussein dismissed the threat as a madman's rant. A few months later Uday lured the brothers-in-law back to Baghdad; they were soon killed. <br><br>I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed. One Foreign Ministry officer told me of a colleague who, finding out his brother had been executed by the regime, was forced, as a test of loyalty, to write a letter of congratulations on the act to Saddam Hussein. An aide to Uday once told me why he had no front teeth: henchmen had ripped them out with pliers and told him never to wear dentures, so he would always remember the price to be paid for upsetting his boss. Again, we could not broadcast anything these men said to us.<br><br>Last December, when I told Information Minister Muhammad Said al-Sahhaf that we intended to send reporters to Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, he warned me they would "suffer the severest possible consequences." CNN went ahead, and in March, Kurdish officials presented us with evidence that they had thwarted an armed attack on our quarters in Erbil. This included videotaped confessions of two men identifying themselves as Iraqi intelligence agents who said their bosses in Baghdad told them the hotel actually housed C.I.A. and Israeli agents. The Kurds offered to let us interview the suspects on camera, but we refused, for fear of endangering our staff in Baghdad.<br><br>Then there were the events that were not unreported but that nonetheless still haunt me. A 31-year-old Kuwaiti woman, Asrar Qabandi, was captured by Iraqi secret police occupying her country in 1990 for "crimes," one of which included speaking with CNN on the phone. They beat her daily for two months, forcing her father to watch. In January 1991, on the eve of the American-led offensive, they smashed her skull and tore her body apart limb by limb. A plastic bag containing her body parts was left on the doorstep of her family's home. <br><br>I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me. Now that Saddam Hussein's regime is gone, I suspect we will hear many, many more gut-wrenching tales from Iraqis about the decades of torment. At last, these stories can be told freely. <br><br>Eason Jordan is chief news executive at CNN. <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.dimensionalstars.com/rocielgrabbinglucifer.jpg" style="border:0;"alt="Mmm...Rociel hugging Lucifer in a certain area..."/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub39.ezboard.com/bdabestmessageboard" target="top">Free blood here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i></i>
Author:  YorokobiAssaiki [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Politics!!! Gotta love em! But worth a read.
Yeah, so they stayed and gave out half the story. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Better to pull up stakes and tell the god damn truth, maybe just maybe one of them might have been spared.<br><br><br>But on the other hand....<br><br><br>Given that this war has transmuted from "To destroy their weapons of mass destruction" to "To free the Iraqi people" perhapes this is a planted story to legitimize our actions? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.bcpl.net/~yorokobi/fs5.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--><br><br><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.bcpl.net/~yorokobi/menagerie.htm" target="top"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.bcpl.net/~yorokobi/jcmenagerie.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>JoyCrushers Menagerie - The Collected Works of Yorokobi Assaiki</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--><br><br><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center">- Winner of "Superior Fic" at <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://juraiantowers.org" target="top">Jurian Towers</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> -</div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i></i>
Author:  sweetfreek [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Politics!!! Gotta love em! But worth a read.
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Given that this war has transmuted from "To destroy their weapons of mass destruction" to "To free the Iraqi people" perhapes this is a planted story to legitimize our actions?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>and let's not forget that this was originally "To cut off their [terrorists] source of funding". The only reason that the UN got the short end is because Bush promised that he'd go it alone, but now (before we've even finished down there, I might add) he and Blair are ready to pull the UN right back into this. Considering that the UN is the only constant among at least three semi-transients, I think we can tell what this war is really about. <p></p><i></i>
Author:  El Uno Jigglioso [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Politics!!! Gotta love em! But worth a read.
And I'll point out here that the BBC has had news correspondants in Iraq for years - and there's been no mention of this.<br><br>Only reminders before all of their reports that "this reporter's movements and reports are monitorred by the Iraqi government." Meaning that the correspondants were never allowed to blatantly contradict the Iraqi information minister.<br><br>And incidentally, though he may have been part of a terrible regime, just how brilliant was that guy?!!<br>"Everything is fine."<br>"We are in control."<br>"American troops are surrendering and begging for mercy."<br>"The troops that surrendered were not members of the Iraq military."<br>"The Americans are trapped in Saddam Airport and I am confident that they will soon be wiped out."<br><br>Has there ever been as great an optimistic public speaker?<br><br>His greatest moment came on Wednesday morning (before that statue of Saddam was torn down in front of the world's press) - his excuse for not briefing the media that day, "I am taking the day off."<br><br>Genius. <p>---------------------<br><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>PEACE AND CAKE!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.dimensionalstars.com/jiggs.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"Please excuse that outburst, I'm a little scared, I don't know what came over me. What's wrong? Don't close your eyes. I don't mean to hurt you, I just need a little help... Get me out. Don't Let me drown in here. Can't you see? I'm gonna die in here..."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> - The Cooper Temple Clause</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></p><i></i>
Author:  Xx Goddess Ryoko xX [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Politics!!! Gotta love em! But worth a read.
Here's an interesting picture for people that are familiar with that certain commercial:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.dimensionalstars.com/iraqi_tv.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.dimensionalstars.com/rocielgrabbinglucifer.jpg" style="border:0;"alt="Mmm...Rociel hugging Lucifer in a certain area..."/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub39.ezboard.com/bdabestmessageboard" target="top">Free blood here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub19.ezboard.com/btenchimuyo79943.showUserPublicProfile?gid=xxgoddessryokoxx>Xx Goddess Ryoko xX</A>  <IMG SRC="http://www.dimensionalstars.com/kyoanimated.gif" BORDER=0> at: 4/13/03 5:32:39 pm<br></i>
Author:  Guardian of Earth [ Fri Apr 18, 2003 12:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Politics!!! Gotta love em! But worth a read.
Hahaha...he's behind him. <p></p><i></i>
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