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| Author: | True Sheol [ Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Answers of Any Kind.... |
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">JadenStriker2ndGen</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> wrote:<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Before science can predict something, it must have a refrance to start at, a point called zero, or ground. And the major diffrence between my monotheistic religion and your unicorns, is that my religion addresses everyday life issues your going to face. It addresses War, addresses Family, addresses Trust vs. Deseption, addresses issue of team work, addresses the issue of love, addresses the issue of choice, it addresses the issue of drinking and substance use, addresses the issue of killing and the diffrence between murdure and justifable, and a whole lot more. That is how my belife has value scientific, it addresses the things your going to face, and predicts that you are going to have to make a choice to understand them, or show bais aginst them.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>After reading that, I wonder if you understand the foundations of your own beliefs. Empirical analysis references measurable reality to establish relative values and is used in formulating predictive theory. It is the basis of applied science. Theoretical analysis takes an abstract theory and subjects it to logical evaluation to ascertain internal sanity. As resources or technology permit abstract theories to be measured through direct or derived products, a correlation between concept and reality can be established.<br><br>Ultimately, man is a measurable product whose mental processes are products of very tangible biochemical and electrochemical reactions. His existence is finite and can be quantified on the physical level. His thoughts, even when abstract, correspond to discrete events occuring at an empirically measurable level. Though individually unique, each human's systemic processes are shared amongst all others. Individuals and groups can be observed, the observations analyzed, and a theory of behaviour established. Whether the theory is directed at answering philosophical, psychological, or sociological questions, it must ultimately correlate to reality.<br><br>The answers to "everyday life issues" that you mention are no more immune to critical analysis as modern behavioural theory. Even theological theories ("beliefs") can be subject to logical analysis to determine sanity, especially when they reference a tangible work (i.e. Koran, Scripture, Talmud, or other founder writings). To progress in understanding our existence, the truth of reality, we must be willing to question the sagacity of any theory, philosophy, doctrine, and belief. When we hold to a belief against irrefutable evidence, we are holding out against development, whether it is physical, mental, or even spiritual.<br><br>You are free to believe what you wish, but if you are indeed pursuing truth, then you can no more justify adherence to faulty beliefs as a scientist adhering to faulty theories. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Answers of Any Kind.... |
No I don't underestimat the effects of second hand smoke, I just don't know there effects but do know that the will have an effect. Fearther more I have been diagnosed with dislexia, and you should know what that means, the word bais in the context presented is not being used as an acronym in this subject for a system, it is being used in refrance to prejudic (aka Closemindness, or a refusal to understand someone of something, either by emations, by agenda, by race, region, or by eithinic group) one of the diffenitions you convenatly left out. And thanks for understanding that I was being sarcastic when I called you Agent Rolfwind Smith, and replide with sarcasium.<br><br>And True Sheol<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>he answers to "everyday life issues" that you mention are no more immune to critical analysis as modern behavioural theory.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And TS, I do understand my belifes pretty well, other wise I wouldn't belive that everyday issues are subject to critical analysis, infact, I think they are directly dependent on it if they are to be understood. It hurts me to see my friend smoking a substance that is screwing with his head and his reasoning. At the very least, he has got it through his skull that I am always going to refuse to smoke it with him directly. Though I would like to know more about the second hand issue.<br><br>And as far as man being measurable, that is true without a doubt, and have tooking into account the issues of techknowledgy. In fact I know its limitations. Most electronic measuring equipment is limited to measuring a voltage level across a resistance, and the interpited value is deturmnt by mathmatical operations within a set level of persition. And ofcorce the least costing insterment is usually the most inaccurate. 2 PSIG instearments are made using the exact same process, by the exact same plant. 1 is a .5% accurate instearment, the other is a .1%. The .5% is $90, and the .1% is $200. If the processes is the same, then the quality of the product is dependant on the labor it took to make it.<br><br>And our ability to measure ourselves is very costly, and I have found the bible and the monothiestic belife to be the most cost effective, because it requires me to thing and not pay a lot of money for an insterment.<br><br>I understand a whole lot of things that happen around us, and often times it involves the ability of choice, and the reasons that are connected to them. This logical system of reasoning is how I asertained that Rolfwind was baised (prejudical). And it is painful to see someone go out and do something that is most sertonly going to hurt them in the long run, just to hear them say it is fun. The worce sort of crimes are donw out of entertainment, and one of them is murder.<br><br>Killing is simply to general of a word, so I really don't belive that the possible translation of ratscrach is kill, unless at the time it was writen, there version of the work kill is our version of the word murder, and what we persive as justic killing was an intirely diffrent word. So even then if the word ratscrath does mean kill, it is subject to what it ment in that age and group of people. I belive the bible doesn't condredick itself, so I belive at the very least that what was ment was "Though shall not destroy another person out of hate, wealth, or pleasure". So yes, even the bible is subject to the accuracy paid by humans, but the princable of my belife remains the same. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | New concept |
You know what, try this, watch the Anime series "Chobits". Their 5th DVD just came out, and if you have the mind for it, you can uptain some pretty significant issues that relate to everyday life in real time. It is a really fun show to watch as that has a lot of meaning and depth to it. Only to issues that would be a remote proplem, getting way to offened at serton elemnts, or enjoy those elements way to much. Willfully restist those reactions to the serton elements of controvercy and you will be able to uptain a lot of meaning from the show.<br><br>And if you say that the charators are shallow or perverted, then I will know, you failed to restist the elements of controvercy, and likely failed to understand the show. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | rolfwind [ Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Answers of Any Kind.... |
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Fearther more I have been diagnosed with dislexia<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So that's your excuse for spelling like a retard? I don't mean just a couple words here and a couple words there, but your entire posts are @#%$ unintelligible half the time partly due to this.<br><br>And yes, I had an aunt with the same problem and she overcame the effects. I suggest you take remedial treatment, it probably will be better for your life in the long run than posting here.<br><br>Or at the very least, use a dictionary:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dictionary.com">www.dictionary.com</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>the word bais in the context presented is not being used as an acronym in this subject for a system, it is being used in refrance to prejudic (aka Closemindness, or a refusal to understand someone of something, either by emations, by agenda, by race, region, or by eithinic group)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Please, just stop. It's bias, BIAS. And stop flinging around accusations when you don't have the slightest idea WTF you are talking about.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I belive the bible doesn't condredick itself....<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Look here and explain this:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html">www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Unless CONDREDICKing is something else entirely.... <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center">The real harem.....<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.ewulf.com/images/the_real_harem.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub19.ezboard.com/btenchimuyo79943.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rolfwind>rolfwind</A> at: 11/16/03 6:33 pm<br></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Answers of Any Kind.... |
You talk as if you assume I am not trying to overcome my own dislexia, and insult me accordingly.<br><br>And why don't you take responsability for your own actions. If you don't want people to accuse you of something, don't do it.<br><br>And both you and that website are bais.<br><br>The problem is not the bible itself, it is the people who interpit it. Get the values right fool. This is where the you have to be viod of bais and be able to criticaly think about the words inside the bible and compare them in a logic, scietific manner, to get to the real values the bible holds and not all these religions and denominations. Religions are usually just a system that copy some of the actions one of the charactors inside did in that charactors effort to understand our god better, under the belife that there is a god. The bible doesn't accutly reconize a single religion, it just says follow the lords teachings, and tries to be a guide as a result, with MANY issues addressed that we WILL face in real life.<br><br>You will be confronted with the issue of Love and dating<br>You will have to face the issue of war<br>You will have to face the issue of trust and lies<br>You will have to face the issue of killing and what is murder and what is justic<br>And many more<br><br>Your link is from a bias point of view with most of the scripts cut up and editted, and doesn't addrrest the full stories of any of those scriture refrances. Your telling only half the story, and looking up any thing you can ouyt of hate and revenge to do so. <br><br>I can make those accuzations against you because I put you through a series of phycological test that require you to make serton choices. Each choice that leads to diffrent results have many reasons for their bases, so a single test was ofcorce not enough, and those test lasted for quite awhile so I could analysis them to to what rewsults had what and what was so incomman between them.<br><br>The result leads me to accuse you of prejudic, and a refusale to take responsability, and relise your refusale to understand where I am coming from.<br><br>Basicly put, you don't see the intellagance in my post because you don't want to. If you did, you would be forced to relise things that you have fanticized so long arn't real. You would have to face a lot of things you have been running from and you don't want to do it.<br><br>You are the only one who can make a choice to take responcabiltiy for your life, and you have chosen not to.<br><br>If you don't want me dogging you, get off your lasy butt and be responcable for your own actions. Stop running like a coward blaiming every one else for your mistakes.<br><br>Quite frankly I don't give a damn about the mistakes people make, what I do care about is why people make them, and wether they are willing to learn from them, or refuse to.<br><br>And you continue to refuse. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><br>Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>It is a matter of respect and coexistance dispite small disagreements.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br><br><br>Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Don't bring your personal dislike of christains here. This topic is ok as long as we don't get out emtions involved and push to change another persons belife.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br><br>Don't contradict yourself. <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You claim the existance of contradiction where there is not contradiction, just a refusal to understand the dynamics of how it works.<br><br>You have been biased sence the begining of this hole ordeal, you are prejudical now, and at the constant rate you have done this, I assume you will continue to be prejudical and revengeful, with every intention not to address the real issue hear.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>And it's always the same, a brave christian student stands up to the bad atheist professor with a series of questions most novice skeptics could answer satisfactory<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You came here with prejudic and hate<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>So that's your excuse for spelling like a retard?<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You still hold prejudic and hate, and are likely to countinue your rain of terror. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Answers of Any Kind.... |
And your billigerance<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><br>Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>It is a matter of respect and coexistance dispite small disagreements.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br><br><br>Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Don't bring your personal dislike of christains here. This topic is ok as long as we don't get out emtions involved and push to change another persons belife.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>is the exact reason why I made that post you accuse me of being contradicting. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | rolfwind [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Answers of Any Kind.... |
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> You talk as if you assume I am not trying to overcome my own dislexia, and insult me accordingly.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Oh, poor you! I'm sorry for making fun of you little Saint JadenStriker2ndGen. Poor baby, should I kiss your ass to make you feel better?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The problem is not the bible itself, it is the people who interpit it. Get the values right fool. This is where the you have to be viod of bais and be able to criticaly think about the words inside the bible and compare them in a logic, scietific manner, to get to the real values the bible holds and not all these religions and denominations.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You said the bible was literal! How can that site be biased when it only takes quotes from the bible?!<br><br>Like this issue quoted below:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>How old was Ahaziah?<br><br> * II Kings 8:26 "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."<br><br> vs.<br><br> * II Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign." <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>How is this open to interpretation Jaden? I thought you said to take the bible literally.<br><br> <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center">The real harem.....<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.ewulf.com/images/the_real_harem.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub19.ezboard.com/btenchimuyo79943.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rolfwind>rolfwind</A> at: 11/17/03 12:49 am<br></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Answers of Any Kind.... |
Can you be any more closed minded and bias?<br><br>All of those scriptures are connected to a story, stories with spicific values, that address spicific issue, and even the person Ahaziah may 1, be 2 differnt Ahaziah's, or 2 have lost his role in being a reign and gained it back. Also the bible doesn't always present the stories in a liniar fation according to time. 1 book my take place in 4000 something BC, while the one after it takes place in 5000 BC.<br><br>Each of those Scriture quotes come with an intire story that requires critical analysis to understand how each instance works, and what the spacifics are the make them function. To not address the story of each is to refuse to analysis what the scripture means, and to refue to analysis the stores meaning is to be biased.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The answers to "everyday life issues" that you mention are no more immune to critical analysis as modern behavioural theory. Even theological theories ("beliefs"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> can be subject to logical analysis to determine sanity, especially when they reference a tangible work (i.e. Koran, Scripture, Talmud, or other founder writings). To progress in understanding our existence, the truth of reality, we must be willing to question the sagacity of any theory, philosophy, doctrine, and belief. When we hold to a belief against irrefutable evidence, we are holding out against development, whether it is physical, mental, or even spiritual.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And you interpit the answer to literal translation completely wrong.<br><br>TS asked<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>I have two basic questions that deals with one of the innate differences of science and religion: Were the Biblical "Adam" and "Eve" figurative or literal? Did mankind originate from an original pair of humans? <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And I said "literal" on the bases that TS is capible of accepting the possibility of the bible being a factual book of history and not a book of fiction. I never said the bible in its intirerty was literal like you claim.<br><br>You accused us for using propaganda, yet by twisting my words and using some many baised refrances with so little critical thinking and with out apply each story and its specifics to the exaple scripture, you use propagandis tactics the most.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>You are free to believe what you wish, but if you are indeed pursuing truth, then you can no more justify adherence to faulty beliefs as a scientist adhering to faulty theories. <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And Rolfwind, you do not seek truth. As long as you hold bias, you refuse to seek truth. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | True Sheol [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The Truth. |
JadenStriker2ndGen,<br><br>Ultimately the Bible is a collection of stories and records made by <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">men</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END-->. However "inspired" they might have been, they undoubtedly made mistakes, just as Jesus's disciples and the apostles did. Additionally, as time has passed, the Scriptures have been altered, through mistranslation and intentional alteration by religious leaders. The idea that it is somehow protected from this is provably <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>false</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. Hence, the accuracy of its contents must not be taken for granted by any person who bases her or her faith on it.<br><br>Take the creation myth, for example. The book it is in was presumably written by Moses. Yet, how could he have known what transpired? The lazy answer is that he was "inspired", either by dreams or 'direct communications' sent by his god. Yet, how do you then accomodate the fact that mankind COULD NOT have originated from the genetic material suppliable by one man and one woman? This flies in the face of what is known to be true about human genetics and biomolecular processes. (Unless you believe in classical evolution, of course.)<br><br>Moses might have take the creation story from existing tales (or beliefs, if you prefer) or <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>he made it up himself</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to bring together a ragtag bunch of refugees whose only connection was a family lineage traceable to the Mesopotamian region. Even if we were to assume that he was "inspired", the tale is still wrong when taken literally. Was Moses' god wrong? Was his god lying to him? Was his god speaking allegorically or metaphorically? If it was a symbolic message rather than a literal one, then doesn't that suggest that many of your own beliefs might be fallacious, being based up false interpretation?<br><br>Any which way, the most fundamental religious beliefs can be wrong, simply because its teachers can never be sure about their interpretations... unless you're say that they are "inspired" as well. The limitations of any religion must be understood to exist in its very nature. However "inspired" its source, religion is a construct by humans, overseen by humans, and taught by humans. It should never be accepted on faith alone. Even the source, for all the "truth" that it might contain, must have still been of human construct.<br><br>So, returning the very fundamental question that I asked you, do you still believe that the creationist story that mankind originated from a single pair of humans is literal? Do you indeed believe that all of mankind originated from a single pair of humans? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub19.ezboard.com/btenchimuyo79943.showUserPublicProfile?gid=truesheol>True Sheol</A> at: 11/17/03 11:22 am<br></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Comment |
Reconcider the possibility that there is a god via the computer programmer example above, and the programmers power of diety over the game he made and you should have your answer. Then ask how would the AI's within the game could be able to measure somethink like that. If the AI's can test their own inviroment with in the scripting rules of the game, and make things on there own according to the rules set by the program, how would they be able to measure something that made them what they are. The AI's would be able to measure themselves, but how would they be measure the programmer who made them if they are limited to the created inviorment. The programmer exist on a totally diffrent plain used to make the AI's enviroment. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Comment |
In addtion to taking the programmer example into account, take into accound the story of babylon and the construction of a tower that was suppost to reach to what they may have understood as heaven at the time.<br><br>If the existance of god is true, and the story of babylon accurate, then the dynamic variations of the human genepool could have been forcefully altered by god, and not have evolved over millions of years.<br><br>Also take into account that the air presure of earth decreases the higher up a mountain you travil and the limitation of the human body that requires oxigain. To cliam mount everist you have to have an air tank because there is so much carbondioxied and so little air presure and the air is not recirculating back down to trees enough to creat suffition supply of oxigain, you would end up sufficating and die.<br><br>So if there is a god, and this god cares about what he she or it created, and knows the reasult if the babylon tower is going to have, that god may forcefully rewright all of the lauguge protocal and genetic protocal to preserver the existance of those involved in the construction of the tower, even though it is writen that the god of my religion saw it as an act of defiance.<br><br>And then that now leads back to the subject that the god of my religion is a merciful caring one. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Comment |
And the rest of the issue of what we are going to belive in is going to be an act of trust in the possibilities. The current final result of this requirement to choose what you trust is based on the fact that neither side those far, still remain without irrefutable evidance to support one belife over the other. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | rolfwind [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Answers of Any Kind.... |
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Can you be any more closed minded and bias?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yes I can you preaching sack of @#%$. But I'm proud to be 'close-minded', if I was too openminded, my brains might spill out :P<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>All of those scriptures are connected to a story, stories with spicific values, that address spicific issue, and even the person Ahaziah may 1, be 2 differnt Ahaziah's, or 2 have lost his role in being a reign and gained it back. Also the bible doesn't always present the stories in a liniar fation according to time.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Okay, that one was too easy to wiggle out of with words, yet I don't see how a man's age has to do with linear timetelling, but I'll give you another chance to BS me with your logic. Since, according to you, the bible has no contradictions, explain this one:<br><br>Does God tempt people?<br><br> * James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."<br><br> vs.<br><br> * Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center">The real harem.....<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.ewulf.com/images/the_real_harem.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | JadenStriker2ndGen [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Answers of Any Kind.... |
Right, it is bad enough that you are bias, but now you are lying through your teeth. Is that carp web site your only refrance or do you even pick the bible up and read it for your self. Or do you just like editting the scripture to make it say what you want to.<br><br>From the NIV Study Bible New International version, Copyright 1985, The Zondervan Corporation, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, MI 49530, USA<br><br>Genesis 22:1 Some time later God <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>TESTED</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> abraham. <br>He said to him "Abraham!"<br>"Here I am" he Replied.<br><br>James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For god cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;<br><br>Now is it just me, or did you say tempt and not test.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>* Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And is it my imagination, or do those 3 periods donate word that where cut out<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>* James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>In fact, that is a direct quote from the web site it self, and not directly from a bible.<br><br>Infact, the person maintaining that website does not even state any copyright information to the bible he used to come up with these refrances. How can we know that the website you use as a refrance is cretible if we can't use the same bible " Dan Barker of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc., and hosted by the Internet Infidels" used as a refrance?<br><br>??? International Infidels???<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The Secular Web is published by the Internet Infidels, an organization of unpaid volunteers dedicated to the growth and maintenance of the most comprehensive freethought web site on the Internet. We have full recognition as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit educational organization, making all donations to the Internet Infidels fully tax deductible. Our adopted mission is to defend and promote Metaphysical Naturalism, a nontheistic worldview which holds that our natural world is all that there is, a closed system in no need of a supernatural explanation and sufficient unto itself. To that end we publish the very best secular books, essays, papers, articles and reviews. We also stand as a bulwark against the forces of superstition, especially the radical religious right, whose proponents would have us fear knowledge rather than embrace it. We want to uphold the dignity of humanity and to encourage the avid pursuit of philosophy and the scientific enterprise. To disbelieve in the gods, as Emma Goldman wrote, is at the same time to affirm life, purpose, and beauty.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>We also stand as a bulwark against the forces of superstition, especially the radical religious right, whose proponents would have us fear knowledge rather than embrace it.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>??? ??? ??? Fear Knowledge rather then embrace it?<br><br>Ok, so are they fighting the terrost then? Because every think in the religion I uphold suggest to seek knowledge and truth.<br><br>Rolfwind, why don't you start by giving us a refrance website that accounts for the copyright information on the bible they used, and one that can reconise that this monotheistic religion values freedom of information exchange. <p></p><i></i> |
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| Author: | rolfwind [ Mon Nov 17, 2003 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Answers of Any Kind.... |
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Right, it is bad enough that you are bias, but now you are lying through your teeth. Is that carp web site your only refrance or do you even pick the bible up and read it for your self. Or do you just like editting the scripture to make it say what you want to.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I read the bible when I pray to Satan. I find it so helpful to read from it backwards when I call upon the former bringer of light, usually Lucifer blesses me and my unicorns before snatching away my offering of pizza and hard liquor.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Genesis 22:1 Some time later God TESTED abraham.<br>He said to him "Abraham!"<br>"Here I am" he Replied.<br><br>James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For god cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;<br><br>Now is it just me, or did you say tempt and not test.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>I said Tempt. In fact, my bible says tempt too:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.rolfotto.com/posts/jaden1.JPG"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>And actually, about 2,300 web sites pop up in google's database when I specify my exact phrase of tempting Abraham:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22And+it+came+to+pass+after+these+things%2C+that+God+did+tempt+Abraham.%22&btnG=Google+Search">www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22And+it+came+to+pass+after+these+things%2C+that+God+did+tempt+Abraham.%22&btnG=Google+Search</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Quote:<br> * James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."<br><br>In fact, that is a direct quote from the web site it self, and not directly from a bible.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Here is a direct quote:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.rolfotto.com/posts/jaden2.JPG"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Infact, the person maintaining that website does not even state any copyright information to the bible he used to come up with these refrances. How can we know that the website you use as a refrance is cretible if we can't use the same bible "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Here are the references:<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.rolfotto.com/posts/jaden3.JPG"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rolfotto.com">Eyes, only for each other....<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.rolfotto.com/posts/signature.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i></i> |
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